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This next post isn't about a main character, but it is more like a circumstance and common question viewers have on ghosts and the Chens in particular for AHS. The AHS afterlife, and the entity that is the ghost In AHS, lots of people die. But one of the things that give AHS fire, is that they explore the characters after what happens then they die.
Some go to Hell, some go to a Heaven, and some are so different you have to ask 'WTF??' Characters that have clearly done wrong usually go to a metaphysical hell. Delphine tortured slaves for a good chunk of her life, so she becomes a tortured slave in her afterlife. Addy wants to be a pretty girl, so she ends up in an afterlife where she is a pretty girl. (It has been established Billie Dean Howard is a true medium, being able to interact with ghosts and telepathically talk to a dead Violet and acknowledge Tate, so we are safe to assume her observations are indeed true and canon).
It really is up to the writers what happens to a character, and it seems depending on emotional depths of their situations in their respective seasons, it demonstrates where they go. (Donovan went to a heaven of the smell of blueberry pancakes and the feeling of a perpetual Saturday morning.
He was a nice mamas boy that loved his mother:p) Selfish characters usually end up in Hell, but characters that violated the natural order like Misty Day (she brought back anything and everyone, just cus), or characters that clearly had the shit end of the stick (Elsa Mars and her struggles with EVERYONE) make them exceptions. Most ghosts tend to be straight forward with how they haunt (bearing the wounds that killed them in the after life, continuing their goals like the nurses of Roanoke), but then you have an enigma like the Chens.
Why are the Chens like Kayako and Sadako of the Grudge and the Ring? The Stringy haired ghost girl Alot of people question why the Chens are different from other ghosts. They have marionette motion with crunching sounds, can scale walls, and being colder than their surrounding environment is noteworthy. A lot of the progressive viewers will simply write this off as THEY ARE ASIAN ITS RACIST, but being someone of Asian descent, I'll explain why they are the way they are. (trust me, there is a very good reason, and when you find out why, you'll want to give Ryan props) Asian ghosts are different than Western ghosts The Chens are an interesting family. Emphasis is made on how they wanted to assimilate to American culture (they only spoke English in the house, dressed in western clothes, the parents gave their daughters western names like 'Amy') Asians have very strong ties with their ancestors, and it is most likely their ancestors made them they way they were in the afterlife. They tried to fend off the Butcher, but because the Butcher had the law of the land on her side, and westernized asians praying to the betrayed ancestors for the Chens failed big time.
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The ancestors were not happy they left their Asian roots, so they decided to not help them, and only helped them in the afterlife (scaling walls would be pretty fun, and is a leg up on other ghosts that are incapable of this feat, although, this could also be looked at as a disgraceful punishment, but the ancestor's influence still remains). In the afterlife, It can be surmised that one is truly free of the confines of the physical world. The ancestors took them back and allowed the Chen family to be like other Asian ghosts of Asian folklore.
The Chens were Taiwanese, but the type of ghost they become (Onryo) is not only from Japan, but also exists in other Asian countries. Khmer, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Filipino, Lao, and Thai all have these kinds of scary ghosts that can scale walls and other unholy things.
It is true the Chens are like the way they are because they are Asian, but this is not in a racist light, the people of AHS that become ghosts become ghosts respective of their ancestry (East Vs. American pit bull terrier breeders. And the nature and reason why a character has the afterlife they have, is means to develop the character and explain further questions. The Chens are Asian style ghosts not because of blatant racism, but the fact the writers did their homework on an eastern metaphysical afterlife It doesn't help that Asian ghosts seem scarier because of the marionette motion, stringy hair, and uncanny valley however. Shudders.
I never saw a problem with American Horror Story having this mythology idea now that the way ghosts manifest differs depending on ancestry and heritage. If anything, it allows the writers to do more. Ghosts have appeared in most of the show's seasons in much the same manner but Roanoke spiced it up. While the previous season had the western 'humanized' ghosts, Roanoke depicted at least 3 different types of ghosts: many of the ghosts created by the the curse on the land had frightening and decayed appearance and they were speechless, there was the Chen family 'Grudge' ghosts and Lee Harris, who essentially committed suicide, appeared as one of the humanized ghosts shown in the previous seasons. Roanoke also did away with the thought that ghosts only appear in tainted buildings, allowing future seasons more freedom.
We can have more ghost stories without them being just like Murder House and Hotel. I would welcome an entire season that has yet another specific type of non-western depiction of ghosts, especially if they're types of ghosts that are far less human but more twisted, gruesome and dark entities created through different means or magic. It's not racist at all. The show had also previously depicted different kinds of gods based on differing beliefs and/or cultures, so why can the same not apply to ghosts? The Angel of Death and Papa Legba, from Asylum and Coven, respectively, are both higher forces in the show's world who are similar in ways, perhaps off similar 'ranks' in the universe, but one of them was more tied to Christianity while the other is a mixed interpretation of two voodoo gods. Something they both share is that one gives death through kissing a mortal while the other gives life through kissing a moral, both are said to only appear to those who desperately want death or life, and one is said to come from a heaven while the other comes from Hell.
If there can be varying gods with different inspirations, there can be varying ghosts. It's not unlike the fact that the ancient witch depicted in Roanoke is, while connected to the witches depicted in Coven, very different. She is depicted as far more wild, her magic is dirtier and more hands-on, she's hideous and ghastly in appearance, and she actively is closely linked to gods who provide her magic. The witches in Coven usually just express psychic powers as opposed to go around feeding people enchanted pig hearts to take control of their souls during blood moon cycles for the rest of eternity.
The witches in Coven reference having gods, even evoking them, but it's very minimalist and not as binding. The closest thing that came to the way Roanoke's witch behaved was a spell early in Coven when Madison spoke about marrying an entity called Azazel in order to bring Kyle Spencer's soul back into his body. I got the feeling that spells like that were old and meant to be forbidden from modern witches, who prefer to focus on their natural abilities than the kind of entities that they can strike deals with. I said ghosts depend on the writers, and if you look into a character that becomes a ghost, you'll see why they become the ghosts they do.
(Piggy man robbed the colony, so he ends up like an animal in the butchers eyes as the viewers too) I already made a post analyzing Scathach, maybe you should go and read it. Coven's Gods are analogous to thoughtforms, and Papa Legba is a scary surprise on white witches that operate in a paradigm that doesn't see deities as legit beings. (A Loa is partitioned, but is not a god, Vodou sees a singular god as Bon Dye, or Mawu Lisa with aristocratic loa as intercessors) Azazel is seen as a thoughtform in Madison's spell, and isnt a literal entity to interact with.
Just because a spell is old does not mean it is forbidden (Zoe still unleashed the axeman, using a pretty old book on a shelf, and was the first to bring back a ghost to the moral coil) This comment is a mess lol. Some reviewers after the episode aired glossed over talking about them and just thought the Onryo insertion was racist.
Look up any review on yt that deals with an episode of the Chens, and tally up how many reviews either gloss over them, or hate their inclusion because a stereotypical Asian ghost seems racist. I knew this would be a controversial topic, which is why I debunked it from the get go. And it may be true they used the Asian ghost because it looked cool, cus lets face it, Asian ghosts are pretty effective!
Brilliant post. I'm Japanese myself, didn't find any of this racist whatsoever when it occurred on TV and found them to be way scarier than the other ghosts. They literally made me jump. My only critique on this post, Misty Day didn't go to Hell for disrupting the natural order (although, had she died in a regular fashion and been sent there, this would be a wise assumption). She was performing the Seven Wonders where all the girls had to visit their own version of Hell and find their way back to the mortal coil. Cordelia's Hell was constantly trying to appease Fiona and failing, Queenie's was working in the chicken place, Zoe (YAWN!) was weepy face breaking up with her zombie boyfriend over and over again weepy face, while Madison's was starring in the Sound of Music and not being Leisle, lol.
Misty's Hell happened to be being forced to kill - then resurrecting - a defenseless animal repeatedly. She's only in Hell because she failed to get back and perform that Wonder specifically. It breaks my heart to no end because she was the purest of heart out of all of the witches besides Cordelia and I'm a huge Stevie Nicks fan myself.
Sorry for the rambling, critique aside, still a brilliant write-up. I did a post in depth on Misty Day a couple days ago, and what you say is true. She did go to hell because of Descensum, but I feel her Hell was poetic and what it was BECAUSE of she violated the natural order (No good deed goes unpunished) Cutting a frog shouldn't be as bad as being betrayed by the people you go to worship with, being dragged through a field and lit on fire, But her power is very closely tied to her character and I think despite her sending herself to hell, there was a much deeper reason for why her hell was precisely the way it was. (Read my Misty post, its pretty bomb!) Alot of people did not find the Chens racist, but If you look through reviews of those roanoke episodes on YT, some reviewers didn't like their depiction.
(I didn't have a problem with it, but i really wanted to actually EXPLAIN the vengeful asian ghost and its whys, its just all these things are part of the deal when you have to explain something from a different cultural paradigm) Thanks again! (and I agree, Zoe's hell was definitely a huge YAWN haha). An Asian person becoming something from their own folklore as opposed to a western ghost is not a punishment. The punishment idea comes from the fact that they can not stand up normally, they have unkempt hair, they cannot speak, and they cannot either move on or reincarnate into a new body.
An entire episode would have to go into this because this an entire different cultural paradigm- maybe several. The Ancestors are not like the western idea of a deity. East Asian deities are like more like Bodhisattvas, unless you are dealing with Shinto specifically. Ancestor worship is where this comes from, not just Shinto. Hindu deities are from South Asia, and are a slightly different paradigm. Not to chastise, but to clear this up.
When first debuted on MTV in 2016, it was the network’s highest-rated scripted series of the year. MTV has since gotten out of the scripted game, so its parent company Viacom moved the series to Spike TV, which will soon become the Paramount Network. That was clearly a mistake. The ratings dropped off dramatically, to the point that the second season never saw episodes hit more than 310,000 viewers. There are other scripted series with even lower viewership (much lower, even) that have continued on, but there’s also a consideration of cost when it comes to producing a fantasy epic that shoots on location in New Zealand. As such, The Shannara Chronicles has been cancelled on Spike, and it seems extremely unlikely that it would end up on any other Viacom network — not that it should. According to, the show’s studio, Sonar, was already shopping the series around before the cancellation was officially revealed.
In addition to the TV series, it’s also looking to package feature, interactive (VR and AR) and merchandising rights as well. The series also currently streams on Netflix in the US and internationally, which could put them in contention for the rights, while Amazon (who has been looking for a fantasy epic and who obviously sells the book series) could also be interested.
Image via Spike The Shannara Chronicle books go on forever, since author Terry Brooks has been cranking them out on the regular for the last 20 years. What that means is that if a new buyer wanted to shift the series to another part of the story (before or after Wil, for instance), it could do so with relative ease. Having said that, there’s a lot to love about what the TV series has done so far. It’s succeeded in a huge amount of world-building and establishment of lore, and it’s the closest thing we have to a RPG fantasy series television show thanks to the use of magic. Also, if you think is edgy for killing off a main character in its first season, Shannara wants you to hold its beer — a main character turns into a tree in Season 1. And in Season 2, the killing spree of main characters is a little astonishing. There are a lot of things about the later episodes of Season 2, though, that were pretty wobbly and felt very rushed, and though I haven’t read the book series, it’s my understanding that the show is basically an alt history version of the story the books tell. But what also shouldn’t be overlooked is the producing power behind the scenes who are interested in continuing the story, including showrunners Al Gough & Miles Millar ( Smallville, Into the Badlands), and EPs Dan Farah ( Ready Player One), Jon Favreau ( Iron Man, Jungle Book), and Jonathan Liebesman ( Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles).
Image via Spike The bottom line is that Shannara a very valuable IP with a lot of potential to create a new epic. The series (unlike Game of Thrones) is also notable for being extremely racially and sexually diverse, and it — more than any other TV series I’ve seen — really embraces hard fantasy (that is to say, we’re fully in on mages and warlocks and trolls and demons and super nerdy stuff). It would be asking a lot to not only bring fans over to a third platform for the series, but to drum up enough interest in an ongoing story to attract new fans that might bring the viewership numbers back to Season 1 levels. But whether the show continues as it is or gets a reboot of some kind, I would love to see the world of Shannara continue to be explored on TV. Let us know your thoughts on Shannara — have you read the books? Do you want a Season 3, or a reboot?
What other Shannara stories would like to be explored, and what is your ideal network?